Dave Winer has a provocative post up on the Quicktime videos made by Virginia Tech killer Cho Seung-Hui now in the possession of NBC. "Vlogging comes to mass murder," Dave writes.
NBC should release all of the videos in Quicktime form as downloads. It's wrong to withhold them.
They're sifting through them and deciding what to release and what not to release.
It's 2007, and it's a decentralized world. We should all get a chance to see what's on those videos.
GIven enough time the focus will go on their process, much better to just let it all out now, with no editorial judgement.
I respectfully disagree.
There's no obligation to put it all out there, and different news organizations are entitled to their own judgments about what is appropriate. Since when does decentralized mean that we expect news organizations to abandon their own moral judgment (however threadbase and episodic it may be)?
Let NBC explain why they withheld stuff, if they end up witholding stuff. Maybe there's footage in these videos that will only compound the pain of the families of the victims. When you drive by a bad traffic accident, do you insist on your right to see the bloodied passengers?
Dave also refers to Cho's tapes as "vlogging" but if Cho had wanted us all to see these videos unexpurgated, he could have posted them to youTube, no?
Doc Searls makes some smart points in an email to Dave, noting that Cho didn't perhaps didn't post the videos directly to the web because he was in the middle of his killing spree and wanted to be sure that this stuff would be seen after the fact. Doc also argues "If there is nothing to hide here, other than obscenities that cannot be broadcast on TV or radio, there is no reason why NBC should withhold the recordings other than the belief that they own them, and hold them as property. That's their right; but it does not help the rest of us get clues that might help prevent another tragedy like this one."
I don't know. The father in me doesn't want my kids finding this on the web...the openness advocate in me agrees that we don't make horrors go away by hiding them. I'm conflicted about this; what do you think?
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Society comes with limits
I don't think anyone has an unlimited "right" per se to view everyone else's videos. Even positing that by sending the material to NBC, Cho was indicating that he indeed wanted the world to know about him, not just the Prez of NBC News.
Do we live in a society or a jungle?
Societies by definition have consensual norms ... some things out of bounds, some things in bounds
So in a society, there's no unlimited free speech, no unlimited property rights, no unlimited right to bear arms, AND, no unlimited right to know.
In our society, the advent of new media tools represents a change in environment, style, technique, capability, whatever ... but not a change in the underlying norms that hold us together.
We are who we are. NBC’s
We are who we are. NBC’s airing of Cho Seung-Hui’s ranting thanatopsis isn't anything media wouldn't have run with 200 years ago. We’ve grappled with the appropriateness of painful revelations from the early days of the republic – as we should. These are decisions free people make for themselves. It’s the ever-present security vs. freedom tussle -- central to every free people’s zeitgeist. The Cho video controversy isn’t far removed from the appropriateness of warrantless wiretaps and the PATRIOT Act. Do we accept encroachments on first principles because we’re told there’s a greater good at stake, or do we agree that there is no greater good than an open society where the individual’s rights deserve first consideration?
In a liberal democracy, the press provides and we partake. Or not, it's up to us. Without that latitude, we might feel more polite, but we'll have paid for it dearly. The freedom to dig for and speak the truth is a curse at times and the price we pay.
Bad taste? Sure. Hurtful to survivors? In many cases, undoubtedly. Such images evoke a visceral response from normal people. But that doesn't mean we should be shielded from them. Aside from sparing ourselves some discomfit, what do we have to gain from censors deciding what we should and shouldn't know?
It would have been far more alarming had NBC turned the material over to the FBI without airing it. When we get to that point – and we will if we’re not careful – the real terror begins.
Jack McEnany, Editor LostNation.TV
Jack McEnany, Editor LostNation.TV
Who Decides What Is Appropriate?
I think the attitude that some of this is "appropriate" to share and some "is not" is condescending. It further extends the role of the traditional media as gatekeepers and arbiters of our right to know.
I also think the car accident analogy is off. You may not have a right to ask to see the bloody bodies, but you have a right to know if the guy that caused it was drunk - driving and arrest records are usually easily obtained.
Sensitivity to the victims' families is a noble pursuit, but, I would argue, outweighed by the public's need to see these things. If we witness, through his testimonial, the mind at work, we may prevent the next wacko from going off. If we recognize in someone else, the language of victimization and venom, we may step in before the bullets fly.
I respect the opinion that journalists are supposed to apply judgement to determine what should and should not be shared, but "appropriate" is a purely subjective concept and reporting is (supposedly) an objective process. How do you reconcile the two?
What's "appropriate" to me may be wholly inappropriate to someone else. Shouldn't you put it out there and let the individual decide? Some argued that the Hussein execution video would have been inappropriate to air. Yet the YouTube views would indicate an awful lot of people felt otherwise. To write that off as 'morbid curiosity' is to be judgemental about others beliefs and values.
To the larger point of "Do I want my son seeing this on the web?", I would try to make the case that you do.
I suspect that Cho's parents probably never saw the kid that appears in that video. They likely had no idea he existed. The psychiatric professionals examined Cho and found he wasn't a danger. However, there were clearly some classmates who were concerned about him enough to file complaints. The other kids he interacted with clearly saw something the "professionals" missed.
If your child saw the video (especially your pre-teen and teenage kids), they may be more likely to sound an alarm bell when their friends sound like Cho. I would argue it is probably more important that your kids see it than for you to.
It seems to me that there
It seems to me that there are two different prongs to this debate.
One involves a public policy claim: crowd-sourced research of these videos will better lead to prevention of future murders. I am a little skeptical of this claim. It may lead to some better understanding of the psychology of this young man, but I strongly doubt that it will lead to the kind of clues that themselves lead to mass-murder prevention.
The second is more complicated: that NBC doesn’t have the right to keep video that it chooses not to use—its a moral claim about the obligation of some category of organizations to share information. For what category of information, and to what category of people, does this obligation apply? If the videos had been sent to me, as a citizen, I’d feel no obligation to share them (unless I was convinced of the public policy argument)—any more than I’d feel an obligation to share a suicide note I happened to read, or a thousand pieces of political information that I might know but choose not to put in the public sphere. I think this intuition is widely, and rightly, shared—that a private citizen who comes upon information does not have a general responsibility to share it.
What about bloggers? What if the package was sent to a blogger? Josh Wolf was released this month after 225 days in jail, having refused to share video footage from a San Francisco protest that could have been incriminating. Most will say that is different because Wolf took the video himself, and therefore has special rights to protecting his recorded experience, but its still a relevant comparison. Most bloggers would strongly resist the idea that the fact of being a blogger, or a independent sharer of media, creates an obligation to share scoops, tips, video, or email sent to them. Does Josh Marshall have an obligation to share all emails sent to the tip line at TPM? Of course not. Would a collection of tips sent to TPM be more informative than Cho's videos? Probably. Might people rail at Josh Marshall if he didn’t release the video, had it been sent to him instead of NBC news? Probably. But my guess is that it would be because of our curiosity—we want to see it, we want to know, we want to understand—more than because we believed he had an obligation.
Since we cannot insist that NBC share it because Cho wanted it shared, then, is there something unique about a news organization that enhances its obligations to share, over that of a citizen or a blogger? Beyond the first argument—the public policy claim—I think not. It may be, however, that a general public policy claim does justify the moral claim—as a general rule, unsolicited, unused, not-untrue documents sent news organizations should be shared, because we would, in fact, know more about the world—more about political cconnections, more about science, more about corruption, more about natural resources, more about police methods, a little more about everything—if a version of the tip-line to NBC were shared.
Finally, some might argue that there is something unique about the fact that it is video, creating a different obligation to share it than if it were text. If they did make this argument, I wouldn’t understand it, though I’m open to hearing it.
My gut instinct is the exact opposite of Winers—I am glad that they are not automatically sharing it, and I hope they take their time. Its clear that the best way for NBC to make money off this is to share all the videos, all the text, all the materials. If they are held back, it seems to me quite likely to be for real reasons of concern, and I take for granted that there is role in society—a role for media companies but for all of us—for making judgments based on delicacy and concerns about feeding a fascination with the grotesque. There is no rush to reveal—even the strongest crowdsourcer would have to concede its unlikely anything will change in the next few months that depends upon the release of these videos--and I hope they make their decision carefully and unrushed and with the best interests of all of us in mind.